We are sitting at the kitchen table.
I am on the short side, at the head. My
friend is sitting on the long side, at my end. We have a ‘date’ for this, so
there are supplies present- recorders, paper and pencils, drinks and snacks. My
interviewee is E. and I am A.
A: this is, ah, an interview on your
beliefs about friendship.
E: do you have to do the formal
‘taking an interview’ question?
A: yeah, do I have your consent to
record you? I suppose I should do that.
It’s part of the formal interview process to make sure it’s ok with people that
I have your voice recorded for posterity (pompous
tone). And someday, when you are a little old lady in your wheel, your wheelchair,
I can bring it and hold it to your ear and remind you that you said ‘yes’. (laughing and giggling in the background, leaning towards
each other over the table. Eating salsa and chips)
E: yeah, cause that is exactly what
I was gonna be! (coughing on chip crumbs, still
giggling)
A: So, what is your general
definition of a friend?
E: definition of a friend would
be…ahh…(blowing through lips, brrrbbhhh sound)…someone
who is, ah, it’s a give and take relationship. Friendship cannot be one sided.
(pause)
A: I don’t know that I necessarily
need to take notes on what you’re saying since everything is recorded, because
I have to do a transcript, word for word. I think it’s more for ummm…
E: takes notes in your own style
then.
A: I think my notes are more to
reflect what doesn’t come across on the voice clip. But I am penciling down
what I’m watching. So that’s what I’m writing. Like that ‘broobbhh’ sound. That
I am writing out. (more laughing, chortling)
E: that came across on the
recording!
A: and I’m putting that in a note.
E: this is gonna be weird (still laughing). And then as far as friendship,
the definition of friendship would also include, that there’s a, besides give
and take, that there’s a mutual likeness. (likeness
is emphasized, with the ‘ness’ stressed and stretched out). You know,
similarity. There doesn’t need to be a lot of similarities, but enjoy each
other.
A: So ‘like’ in more than one
definition of the word like. so ‘like’ and ‘alike’.
E: yeah. You don’t need to be
exactly alike but you definitely have to have some things in common (leaning forward into the conversation, eye contact and
smiling). And you can be opposites. In personality and style (laughing).
A: so commonalities don’t
necessarily have to be in personality.
E: right. Its more about what you
enjoy. Doing. (pause for chips)
A: how do you see yourself as being
a friend to others?
E: oh, awful (laughing). Um, how am I a friend to others? Well,
I think I try to look out for my friends’ needs, their emotional needs, their
physical needs, their fun needs. Activity needs, like sometimes you have to go
shopping, and ok, let’s go! (both laughing again)
A: you have sucked up a lot of time
at Target! That’s the mark of a true friend. What do you thing the difference
is between friends and acquaintances? (serious tone
again)?
E: Well, a friend you go out of your
way to get, to be around. To talk to, to reach out to, to keep that connection
alive. As opposed to an acquaintance, you’re really just satisfied running into
them at Wal-Mart or K-Mart once in a while (laughing).
A: that’s quite profound! That’s a
very good way of putting it.
E: you like that?
A: So you’re always glad to see your
acquaintances…
E: yeah!
A: but you…go out of your way to
find your friends.
E: right. And I’ve got friends that
I don’t see for years and years and years and hear from and when I do, there’s
that “wow, how awesome”. You know, that connection just reappears, it realizes,
it’s jazzed up again. (questioning tone to voice)
A: yeah, it never really went away.
It was just kind of…went dormant, for a while.
E: yeah. Where’s with an
acquaintance, it’s “yeah! I remember you” and you kind of figure out where you
knew somebody from. But it’s not the same as a friend.
A: ummhimm.
E: a friend, there’s that
connection.
A: and it never evaporates. I was
thinking about DM, like if I saw DM…
E: oh, it would be great! Wouldn’t
it?
A: yeah, it would just
be…incorporating her into our lives all over again.
E: yeah!
A: I don’t think it would take a
whole lot of effort, and we would be glad to do it…
E: yeah, it would, it would be no
effort at all. It would just fit right back into, into the mold that we had
before (enthusiasm, big eyebrows).
A: ummhimm.
E: absolutely. And I have had that
opportunity. Where we reconnect with people. Years apart. And you, we just jump
right back into it. You do. It’s like a day didn’t pass. Lots of catchin’ up to
do sometimes, but…
A: it just makes it that much more
fun!
E: yeah! (chuckling)
A: I actually have that question.
How do you stay connected with long distance friendships?
E: well, I suppose it’s easier to do
with Facebook and all those kind of crazy things but I don’t do any of those,
so my way of staying connected tends to be my annual Christmas card thing which
always seems like a, a, a task that I dread but I’m always glad that I’ve done
it (questioning tone of voice). And I get
lots and lots of responses from people that that’s the only time of year that I
do hear from them…
A: you know, it’s funny, but I
always look forward to getting that! (lots of
laughing)
E: but you know, it one of those
“oh, I’ve got to get that done” and it’s a big job to do (questioning tone of voice). But I think if I
didn’t do it, Christmas wouldn’t be the same.
A: no. I like reading it. I think it
does a really nice job of summarizing and there’s always stuff in there that I
didn’t know and I see you all the time, and I talk to you all the time and I
see the kids all the time! And I’ll be like, “wow, I didn’t know that!” (more laughing)
E: and then there’s all the stuff
unwritten! That doesn’t get written in there! (loud
laughing)
A: I start reading in between the
lines!
E: hmmm, how do I put this? (holding finger to bottom lip, frowning, laughing).
So I think the connections are, you, they’re not necessarily forced…ever. I
think forcing the connection is, isn’t as good of a friendship (questioning tone). You know, for example, I, it’s
hard for me to pick up the phone and call T….for whatever reason. Just is a
different kind, a slightly different kind of friendship. You know, she wants to
do lunch. She wants to do lunch every month. Hmm. Ok. (laughing)
But it just doesn’t happen. You know. And it doesn’t mean, it doesn’t mean that
I don’t enjoy her company, it just, we’re not as tight as I have other friends.
But there could be people that I haven’t heard or talked to. Do you remember N?
A: yeah.
E: I got a card from her!
A: really! How’s she doin’?
E: She didn’t really say. She’s just
like, “I’ve been thinking about you and I haven’t” and she’s, she’s just kinda,
touching base, to see if she’s still got the right address. And so I need to
sit down and write her back.
A: that’s funny! I was talking about
those people that were here from corporate this week and one of them was just
recently in… (totally off topic here for several
minutes while we reminisce about past living in another state and memories of
N. associated with this period)
A: so that is cool that she got in
touch with you out of the blue like that. Has she thought about coming to
Alaska?
E: I’m gonna write her and tell her
she needs to come up here….(more chips, big smiles)
A: how do you find and make new
friends?
E: now, that’s hard. Cause I’m, I’m,
ah, not good at going out and seeking new friends. So for having good
friendships that sort of stand the test, the test of time, right now, it’s
mostly ex-coworkers that you build up those relationships with (questioning tone). So, you’re better at it.
A: I think, umm, a lot of people
that you work with, you get to be friendly with just because of the number of
hours that you spend with them. And the close proximity that you work, in the
kind of job that I have, umm, sometimes the intensity…makes you become friends
faster.
E: yeah, I think in your situation,
that’s definitely…in banking, no. Five o’clock, days over, bye. Everybody goes
their own way. You, you know, you enjoy each other’s company at work, but it’s
not so much the, afterhours. Like you don’t want to intrude on other people’s
personal time sort of thing.
A: for me, working night shift too.
E: yeah.
A: no matter what time of the day
you work, ummm, healthcare, emergency department especially, there’s always the
opportunity for bonding. Kind of like being in combat. (laughter). Night shift, that much more so. People on night
shift, they’re, they’re a tighter group.
E: well, I think you only have to
deal with one belligerent drunk to, you know, become tight with somebody (more
laughter).
A: yup. Yeah. When we all fall on
top of one, pig piling on the drunk really makes for fast friendships. (laughter)
E: I think your right!
A: how many friends can you
reasonably have?
E: I think that’s a different number
for everybody. I think there are people that thrive on that, umm, for me (questioning tone), again, I have lots and lots of
people I consider friends that I may not connect with for years on end but…on a
regular, daily basis, I probably only have a handful.
A: not anybody can say that.
Unfortunately. There’s a lot of people out there that have a lot of
acquaintances, maybe close acquaintances, but not so many real friends.
E: somebody you can count on. Day or
night. Yup. So.
A: what makes a friendship last?
E: I don’t know. Why do you put up
with me? (lots of laughter)
A: it’s the Lucy and Ethel thing.
Thelma and Louise. (laughter)
E: well put.
A: and then the, the, each of us
gets the chance to be Lucy sometimes and Ethel other times, and Thelma and
Louise other times….we’re not trapped in one role.
E: and all we need is Brad
Pitt!...or a likeness thereof! (toasting with iced
tea, eyebrows up and smiling)
A: I don’t care, as long as I don’t
get stuck with Fred. (hysterical laughter)
E: I guess friendships last, ehhh….
because we want them to. You know? How much duller would my life be, even
though you’re busy as hell right now, how much duller would my life be even
without that occasional phone call every so often that I have to get just to
stay connected with you?
A: just put up with it a little bit
longer, cause honestly, the older you get, the faster time goes…
E: I know!
A: and it will be like, like
tomorrow, I’m done with school!
E: are you making fun of my memory
again? (laughter)
A: I’m remembering that we are
eating more than chips and salsa today! (more
laughter)
Discussion
I asked my years-long friend if she would be my subject. We
have not spent as much time together as we normally would over the last few
months. New jobs, long work hours, and school responsibilities have interfered
with face to face time and we are holding a phone friendship for now. It was a
pleasure to have a reason to meet. We sat at her kitchen table, site of many
casual Saturday conversations, drinking iced tea and eating chips and salsa. I
promised to take no more than 15 minutes of her time for help with my school
assignment and then we would talk about real life- jobs, kids, home improvement
projects, flower gardens- all the stuff that we can stretch out for hours and
then talk about again the next week, over dinner.
I am a belt-and-suspenders person when technology is
involved. I had my phone charged and cued for recording as well as my Flip
recorder. We are both native East Coasters and tend to speak faster than most,
we have known each other forever and finish each other’s sentences and we have
been short on meeting time so we interrupt each other constantly in our
eagerness to add something to the conversation. We had a couple false starts
because of this. I spent as much time stopping and starting the recording than
I did typing the conversation. At points, I could only type two or three words
at a time because we were speaking too quickly to make out more. There were
also a fair amount of pauses for consideration. Between the rapid speech and
the pauses, it was the equivalent of an average conversation. We spoke about
friendship for about 20 minutes, but at least a few minutes were off topic
while we digressed into speaking about an old friend.
Recreating the environment and showing the non-verbal events
in a taped conversation is very difficult. I took notes during the conversation
and lined up the visual cues with particular statements but bringing the points
of emphasis and the tone in which sentences are spoken is reduced to a word or
two tacked on at the end, like “laughter” and “questioning tone”. Some of the
meaning inherent is lost. I think that if I were to do this again, I would
verbally cue what I am seeing by making a statement like “you are frowning when
you say this, what are you thinking?” or “why do you sound like you are asking
a question when you say that?” This would have to be done judiciously so the
flow is not interrupted but I think it has the possibility of adding richness
and depth. I guess I would have to try it out in a real interview to see at
what points it is worth stopping someone’s narrative to gain insight.